8150J – Forced Landing

Incident Type

Accident

Investigation Status

Transferred to Membership Committee

Membership Status

Suspended

NTSB Number

WPR25LA261

Synopsis

On 16 August 2025 at approximately 1737L, N8150J was involved in an emergency landing on the 805 Freeway near Sorrento Valley Rd. The aircraft was destroyed. No injuries were reported.

History of Flight

According to the member, an Instrument-rated Private Pilot, he was going to take his friend up for a quick sightseeing flight. The pilot stated that no anomalies were noted with the pre-flight or run-up’s. At approximately 1715L (20 minutes after the flight started), the pilot started a climb to 2,800′ MSL. The pilot stated that he reached 2,800′, he “to switch the takes and have altitude while doing so in accordance to the aircraft Pilot Operating Handbook.” The pilot did not notate which tank he switched to at this time. The pilot then descended to 400′ MSL. At approximately 1728L, while just offshore of Solana Beach, the pilot started a climb to 1,800′. At approximately 1732L, the pilot stated that he contacted (and received) ATC for a Bravo Clearance direct to Montgomery. The pilot proceeded direct to Montgomery and at approximately 1735L, just passing Dell Mar Heights Rd, the aircraft began descending with the final “ping” approximately two minutes after that.

FlightAware Track

Aftermath

The aircraft came to rest on the southbound lane on the center divider with the left wing completely separated from the aircraft. The two occupants escaped the aircraft uninjured. The aircraft was towed to Montgomery Airport for further examination by the NTSB. The pilot stated that “it took me about 5-10 seconds to realize what happened after the throttle wasn’t making any RPM adjustments and hearing the stall horn.” The pilot stated he pitched for bets glide and landed approximately two minutes after declaring the emergency. Sorrento Valley Parkway sits at approximately 200′ elevation. The aircraft traveled approximately 2.5nm from the point of engine failure to the point of landing. The POH lists the glide range for the aircraft at approximately 3nm.

Post Crash Analysis

NTSB mechanic investigators performed a post-crash engine test. The carburetor bowel was discovered to be empty, however, the engine started and ran without issue as soon as fuel was introduced. The POH states “If engine failure was caused by fuel exhaustion power will not be restored after switching fuel tanks until the empty fuel lines are filled. This may require up to ten seconds.”

Probable Cause

The probable cause of this accident is fuel starvation for unknown reasons.

Location

Tail No.

8150J

Pilot Certificate

Private

Total Time

350 Hours

Time in Make/Model

120

Time in last 30 days

13

Approximate Damage

$ 150000

METAR Data (If Available)

METAR KMYF 170053Z 24008KT 10SM CLR 21/14 A2999 RMK AO2 SLP151 T02060144

Damage Photos

Pilot Report

On Saturday August 16th, I had N8150J rented for most of the day. I started my preflight at around 1630 local while I waited for my passenger. Preflight was done normally according to checklist provided in the aircraft. Fuel was filled to maximum capacity, and oil was at 6 quarts. No abnormalities were observed during preflight inspection.

Upon starting the aircraft, everything was done according to the checklist provided in the aircraft. Taxi and take off clearance was requested as normal with taxi and runup checklists complete. My passenger was utilized in reading off checklist from engine start to takeoff to increase efficiency and mitigate task saturation; everything was double checked and confirmed prior to takeoff.

Takeoff occurred at or around 1705 local time with a straight out departure. I planned to climb to 1,500’ MSL to Mt. Soledad and turn to a northerly heading up the coast. A few minutes after departure, I turned the fuel pump off, according to the checklist and proceeded my climb to 1500’ MSL. Upon reached my desired altitude I turned to fly along the coastline around 1709 local time. RPM setting was kept at 2100-2300 RPM for straight and level flight with the mixture left on full rich. My passenger and I only planned to fly up and down the coastline for some sight-seeing. The maximum altitude climbed to was about 2,800’ MSL while the lowest was 400’ MSL well off the coast, with fuel tanks being switched at around 1720 local time while at 2800’MSL. I initiated a climb to 2800’ to switch the takes and have altitude while doing so in accordance to the aircraft Pilot Operating Handbook, in switching the tanks I turned the fuel pump on to switch, then fuel pump back off after the switch. Climbs and descents were done in accordance to the normal operating characteristics of a Piper PA-28-181.

Towards the conclusion of our flight around 1730 local time, I requested a Bravo clearance direct to KMYF, once clearance was received, I proceeded direct KMYF from Del Mar Race Track. I was at 1700’ MSL, I did not find it very practical to initiate a climb to a certain higher altitude just to descend to KMYF traffic pattern altitude a minute or two after. Especially after I received a clearance and was unsure of Socal’s intentions to vector traffic above me. With this, I made the decision to remain at 1700’ for about 11 miles in about 7 minutes. I understand the best aeronautical decision would have been to climb to a safer higher altitude and then request clearance.

Exactly 2 minutes and 11 seconds after receiving Bravo clearance I declared an emergency. Seconds before declaring the emergency the engine was sputtering, it took me about 5-10 seconds to realize what happened after the throttle wasn’t making any RPM adjustments and hearing the stall horn. Once I heard the stall horn that was my indication of an engine failure and I immediately pitched for best glide, searched for a place to land, declared an emergency, and tried my best to troubleshoot in the little time I had. My trouble shooting process consisted of turning the fuel pump on, cycling the fuel selector, and turning the magnetos to the start position, all of those were done in about 15 seconds and did not bring back engine performance. After that, my sole focus was on finding a safe place to land the aircraft. With the altitude I was at and the amount of time I had, highway 805 was the only option. I communicated my intentions with ATC, turned off the fuel selector valve, and leaned the mixture while ensuring that I avoided any powerlines. My decision to land with traffic instead of into traffic was because my personal opinion is that it would be way easier for a vehicle to make an abrupt stop as opposed to making an abrupt turn, potentially causing a automobile accident, worsening the situation. After the aircraft came to a stop, my passenger and I urgently exited the aircraft, concluding the emergency landing.

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Reinstatement Recommendation - Member

Member Name:

Christopher Childers

This appears to be a clear-cut case of pilot error with the fuel selector either being placed in the wrong position (off) or being placed outside of the detent. Speaking to unidentified sources that are not able to speak publicly about the accident yet because the report has not officially been released, there was plenty of fuel onboard the aircraft, the engine worked flawlessly when started and it was noted that both the carburetor bowel and gascolator were empty. While I don’t think this was nearly as egregious as the accident involving an instructor and student that caused an accident shortly after takeoff because of a poor pre-flight, I think it is within the same framework for a decision involving the termination of the member. On one hand, I understand that everyone can make a mistake and cause any kind of accident. On the other hand, I think the member lacks basic judgement skills considering a roughly 30 minute flight and no reason to switch fuel tanks, especially at a low altitude and with that flight profile he flew. I could go either way on his reinstatement and have no strong position either way.

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